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« on: June 07, 2018, 11:06:13 AM »
Just before the November 2012 election, company founder Swart said that the company was considering a request by a candidate for a staged political protest.[2] According to an article in the New York Post, Anthony Weiner paid Crowds on Demand actors to attend campaign rallies during his 2013 campaign for mayor of New York City.[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowds_on_Demand

"We’ve made campaigns involving hundreds of people come to action in just days. We have a proven record of delivering major wins on even the toughest campaigns and delivering phenomenal experiences with even the most logistically challenging events.

Our services are now available throughout the United States, so whether you’re looking at doing a single event or a multi-city campaign, we have the resources available to achieve your goals. "
https://crowdsondemand.com/

https://www.demandprotest.com/
http://protestondemand.org

i'm sure there are more companies then these

this is a real shame for democracy

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Re: paid protests
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2018, 10:52:17 AM »
Just before the November 2012 election, company founder Swart said that the company was considering a request by a candidate for a staged political protest.[2] According to an article in the New York Post, Anthony Weiner paid Crowds on Demand actors to attend campaign rallies during his 2013 campaign for mayor of New York City.[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowds_on_Demand

"We’ve made campaigns involving hundreds of people come to action in just days. We have a proven record of delivering major wins on even the toughest campaigns and delivering phenomenal experiences with even the most logistically challenging events.

Our services are now available throughout the United States, so whether you’re looking at doing a single event or a multi-city campaign, we have the resources available to achieve your goals. "
https://crowdsondemand.com/

https://www.demandprotest.com/
http://protestondemand.org

i'm sure there are more companies then these

this is a real shame for democracy
I mean its actually kinda sad on a professional level. Its like you don't have friends so you pay people to hang out with you.
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Re: paid protests
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2018, 11:18:00 AM »
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I mean its actually kinda sad on a professional level. Its like you don't have friends so you pay people to hang out with you.

ive seen youtube videos of a guy that did this just get laid with the fack paparazzi.
but the main concern for me is are all these protests we see on tv real? or is it bought?
we think we have a voice so we will protest when its just someone else buying this for their adgenda.
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Re: paid protests
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2018, 11:20:57 AM »
I mean its actually kinda sad on a professional level. Its like you don't have friends so you pay people to hang out with you.
ive seen youtube videos of a guy that did this just get laid with the fack paparazzi.
but the main concern for me is are all these protests we see on tv real? or is it bought?
we think we have a voice so we will protest when its just someone else buying this for their adgenda.
I guess we'll never know unless someone comes forward but can that even be proven?
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Re: paid protests
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2018, 12:13:45 PM »
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I guess we'll never know unless someone comes forward but can that even be proven?

they advertize it!

"Whether your organization is lobbying to move forward a healthcare, financial, energy or other social initiative, we can organize rallies and get media attention for your causes and candidates. We also assist individuals, companies and political organizations with protests and picketing campaigns. We’ve protested governments, corporations and everything in between.

We’ve achieved results on campaigns on everything from ending institutional discrimination in a religious organization to getting refunds and compensation for hundreds of homeowners who bought hazardous land from a real estate firm to forcing a patent trolling company to back down. We have gotten tough energy projects approved from oil to natural gas to wind and solar. We are frequently called upon to address Real Estate issues that, while (in many cases) not heavily covered by the media, are relevant to stakeholders and depend heavily on public opinion. Some of these campaigns are long and drawn out while others can be resolved quickly. Regardless, we endeavor to deliver campaigns that bring out the best qualities of our clients’ messages and to achieve tangible results.

If you need to hire protesters, we can get a crowd on the street, sometimes within 24 hours time. If you need speakers to present at a council meeting, we can provide talented and well-spoken individuals to advocate for the cause. We also have a dedicated team of phone-banking staff who can call Congressional Offices and convince government officials to support your cause and help you overcome opposition. If you need lots of letters and emails written from constituents, we have a network of tens of thousands of individuals across the country who can send well-written constituent letters to their representatives.

We provide a cost-effective way to lobby government to pass or defeat legislation, push for approval of projects, and influence government in a grassroots manner. We are the ultimate guerilla lobbying and government relations firm."
https://crowdsondemand.com/protests-rallies-and-advocacy
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Re: paid protests
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2018, 01:19:13 PM »
I guess we'll never know unless someone comes forward but can that even be proven?

they advertize it!

"Whether your organization is lobbying to move forward a healthcare, financial, energy or other social initiative, we can organize rallies and get media attention for your causes and candidates. We also assist individuals, companies and political organizations with protests and picketing campaigns. We’ve protested governments, corporations and everything in between.

We’ve achieved results on campaigns on everything from ending institutional discrimination in a religious organization to getting refunds and compensation for hundreds of homeowners who bought hazardous land from a real estate firm to forcing a patent trolling company to back down. We have gotten tough energy projects approved from oil to natural gas to wind and solar. We are frequently called upon to address Real Estate issues that, while (in many cases) not heavily covered by the media, are relevant to stakeholders and depend heavily on public opinion. Some of these campaigns are long and drawn out while others can be resolved quickly. Regardless, we endeavor to deliver campaigns that bring out the best qualities of our clients’ messages and to achieve tangible results.

If you need to hire protesters, we can get a crowd on the street, sometimes within 24 hours time. If you need speakers to present at a council meeting, we can provide talented and well-spoken individuals to advocate for the cause. We also have a dedicated team of phone-banking staff who can call Congressional Offices and convince government officials to support your cause and help you overcome opposition. If you need lots of letters and emails written from constituents, we have a network of tens of thousands of individuals across the country who can send well-written constituent letters to their representatives.

We provide a cost-effective way to lobby government to pass or defeat legislation, push for approval of projects, and influence government in a grassroots manner. We are the ultimate guerilla lobbying and government relations firm."
https://crowdsondemand.com/protests-rallies-and-advocacy
When you say "they" I think you mean the company that's offering this service. I'm talking about an actual candidate running for something. How do you prove this company was hired? If you go somewhere, how do you know its not normal people? You can assume maybe a mix but its "proof of purchase" or "proof of hire" is what I'm talking about.

EDIT: Grammar fix
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Re: paid protests
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2018, 05:59:15 PM »
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When you say "they" I think you mean the company that's offering this service. I'm talking about an actual candidate running for something. How do you prove this company was hired? If you go somewhere, how do you know its not normal people? You can assume maybe a mix but its "proof of purchase" or "proof of hire" is what I'm talking about.

EDIT: Grammar fix

According to an article in the New York Post, Anthony Weiner paid Crowds on Demand actors to attend campaign rallies during his 2013 campaign for mayor of New York City.[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowds_on_Demand
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Re: paid protests
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2018, 07:14:37 PM »
When you say "they" I think you mean the company that's offering this service. I'm talking about an actual candidate running for something. How do you prove this company was hired? If you go somewhere, how do you know its not normal people? You can assume maybe a mix but its "proof of purchase" or "proof of hire" is what I'm talking about.

EDIT: Grammar fix

According to an article in the New York Post, Anthony Weiner paid Crowds on Demand actors to attend campaign rallies during his 2013 campaign for mayor of New York City.[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowds_on_Demand
Do you have that actual article? Using Wiki as a source is iffy. The sources in this Wiki don't seem as good when I back check them. Is it this one?

https://nypost.com/2013/08/28/weiner-paid-for-phony-supporters-at-campaign-events-source-says/
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Re: paid protests
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2018, 08:00:50 AM »
still looking for more information
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/company-with-crowds-for-hire-sees-opportunity-in-politics/
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Rent-a-Crowd Use in Politics

President Donald Trump's campaign announcement in 2015 famously used the services of a rent-a-crowd company to hire actors to simulate public support for his Presidential candidacy. Individuals were paid $50 to cheer at the event. Such careful orchestration of political and protest events is not uncommon. Labor unions commonly pay temporary workers or even the homeless to walk picket lines, and at New York City's Pride Parade in 2015 anti-gay marriage protesters were found to be hired hands.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/rent-a-crowd.asp

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"Considering all of the PR and lobbying firms that do what I call 'grassroots for hire'... there are hundreds of such firms across the country. By my estimate, around 40% of the Fortune 500 appears on the client list of at least one such firm."
https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/16/business/crowds-for-hire/index.html

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An email from a firm called Extra Mile, soliciting people to be paid $50 to attend "an event in support of Donald Trump and an upcoming exciting announcement he will be making."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/20/even-the-firm-that-hired-actors-to-cheer-trumps-campaign-launch-had-to-wait-to-be-paid/?utm_term=.07db47e3b5eb

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/fec-case-exposes-paid-actor-trump-supporters-859613763970?playlist=associated&v=a
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Re: paid protests
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2018, 06:46:52 PM »
still looking for more information
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/company-with-crowds-for-hire-sees-opportunity-in-politics/
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Rent-a-Crowd Use in Politics

President Donald Trump's campaign announcement in 2015 famously used the services of a rent-a-crowd company to hire actors to simulate public support for his Presidential candidacy. Individuals were paid $50 to cheer at the event. Such careful orchestration of political and protest events is not uncommon. Labor unions commonly pay temporary workers or even the homeless to walk picket lines, and at New York City's Pride Parade in 2015 anti-gay marriage protesters were found to be hired hands.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/rent-a-crowd.asp

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"Considering all of the PR and lobbying firms that do what I call 'grassroots for hire'... there are hundreds of such firms across the country. By my estimate, around 40% of the Fortune 500 appears on the client list of at least one such firm."
https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/16/business/crowds-for-hire/index.html

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An email from a firm called Extra Mile, soliciting people to be paid $50 to attend "an event in support of Donald Trump and an upcoming exciting announcement he will be making."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/20/even-the-firm-that-hired-actors-to-cheer-trumps-campaign-launch-had-to-wait-to-be-paid/?utm_term=.07db47e3b5eb

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/fec-case-exposes-paid-actor-trump-supporters-859613763970?playlist=associated&v=a
Starting to get alittle scary...
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Re: paid protests
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2018, 06:51:18 PM »
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Behind a barricade, a group of men wore the fringed Jewish prayer garment known as the tzitzit and held up anti-gay signs bearing the logo of a group calling itself the Jewish Political Action Committee.

“Judaism prohibits homosexuality,” one sign read.

But the men were not Jewish. They were Mexican laborers, protesting because they were paid to protest, said one of the men, who would not give his name.

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The group was fenced off from the parade, at Fifth Avenue and 15th Street, by the police. Parade-goers tossed open water bottles at the protesters and kissed defiantly in front of them.
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Late in the afternoon, a fight broke out. Bystanders said the gates separating the Jewish group opened and parade-goers swarmed in.

Jasmine Brob, 19, said an Orthodox Jewish man from the committee swung at her friend, and Ms. Brob punched the man in the eye.

“I ducked and then I swung at him,” she said.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/gay-pride-parade-updates/jewish-group-with-hired-protesters-opposes-the-parade


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Re: paid protests
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2018, 02:17:14 PM »
i found this song from 2001 that mentions some thing like this
SUICIDE MACHINES
Steal This Record
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Riot - Rebellion for sale
Buy it - Devoid of anything real
Riot - Rebellion for sale

The revolution will be telivised - Bought and sold and advertized
Who's the real charlaton - The pusher man pushin - Or did the writer lie
your validity nullified - Do you consume the con - Do you sing along?
thought it was interesting
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Re: paid protests
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2018, 09:03:53 PM »
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Behind a barricade, a group of men wore the fringed Jewish prayer garment known as the tzitzit and held up anti-gay signs bearing the logo of a group calling itself the Jewish Political Action Committee.

“Judaism prohibits homosexuality,” one sign read.

But the men were not Jewish. They were Mexican laborers, protesting because they were paid to protest, said one of the men, who would not give his name.

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The group was fenced off from the parade, at Fifth Avenue and 15th Street, by the police. Parade-goers tossed open water bottles at the protesters and kissed defiantly in front of them.
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Late in the afternoon, a fight broke out. Bystanders said the gates separating the Jewish group opened and parade-goers swarmed in.

Jasmine Brob, 19, said an Orthodox Jewish man from the committee swung at her friend, and Ms. Brob punched the man in the eye.

“I ducked and then I swung at him,” she said.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/gay-pride-parade-updates/jewish-group-with-hired-protesters-opposes-the-parade
Whether someone is wrong or right about protesting something its never ok to fight them or throw things at them. Who starts the violents is automatically at fault and ruined their message.
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Re: paid protests
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2018, 06:37:49 AM »
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Behind a barricade, a group of men wore the fringed Jewish prayer garment known as the tzitzit and held up anti-gay signs bearing the logo of a group calling itself the Jewish Political Action Committee.

“Judaism prohibits homosexuality,” one sign read.

But the men were not Jewish. They were Mexican laborers, protesting because they were paid to protest, said one of the men, who would not give his name.

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The group was fenced off from the parade, at Fifth Avenue and 15th Street, by the police. Parade-goers tossed open water bottles at the protesters and kissed defiantly in front of them.
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Late in the afternoon, a fight broke out. Bystanders said the gates separating the Jewish group opened and parade-goers swarmed in.

Jasmine Brob, 19, said an Orthodox Jewish man from the committee swung at her friend, and Ms. Brob punched the man in the eye.

“I ducked and then I swung at him,” she said.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/gay-pride-parade-updates/jewish-group-with-hired-protesters-opposes-the-parade
Whether someone is wrong or right about protesting something its never ok to fight them or throw things at them. Who starts the violents is automatically at fault and ruined their message.

it is sad that this is how minorities are treated.  i assume this wasn't a major company that paid these people but someone probably picked up few Mexicans that wanted to make a couple of buck. so the Mexicans are the ones that take the brunt of abuse because the people that want to speak out about it are to scared to speak their voice. thats what pisses me off.
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Re: paid protests
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2018, 05:33:59 PM »
Whether someone is wrong or right about protesting something its never ok to fight them or throw things at them. Who starts the violents is automatically at fault and ruined their message.
it is sad that this is how minorities are treated.  i assume this wasn't a major company that paid these people but someone probably picked up few Mexicans that wanted to make a couple of buck. so the Mexicans are the ones that take the brunt of abuse because the people that want to speak out about it are to scared to speak their voice. thats what pisses me off.
I'm all for protests even if you think the subject is wrong. Even Nazis can protest if they want to. You can even yell back if you think its wrong even even if it is wrong. Never be violent unless someone is attacking you. Whoever started it should be arrested but only if it can be proven or everyone agrees. It so annoying people just can't be civil  >:(
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